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RedRigsby |
1. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 15 2012, 11:25 AM EST
Of course he isn't, it's a hallucination/figment of her imagination whatever you want to call it. I will put my house on that right now. O'Laughlin is DEAD.
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Ytene |
2. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 17 2012, 3:34 AM EST
I wouldn't put my house on it. O'Laughlin was trained in Shaolin martial arts. That includes survival - the use of sophisicated energy work (qi gong), breathing and mental focus to prevent shock (from trauma) and to go into suspended states to halt internal bleeding. He may be back in person.
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3. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 21 2012, 2:21 PM EST
"I wouldn't put my house on it. O'Laughlin was trained in Shaolin martial arts. That includes survival - the use of sophisicated energy work (qi gong), breathing and mental focus to prevent shock (from trauma) and to go into suspended states to halt internal bleeding. He may be back in person. "This is an interesting theory but Im pretty sure O'Laughlin is dead. Im assuming his body would have been taken to the FBI morgue after he was killed so I would expect someone to realise if he got up and walked out the door or if his body went missing. Unless, of course RJ has another accomplice in the morgue who helped cover this up. I could be wrong of course because another Rebecca type character could have gone in disguised as an agent and stolen the body, but if this was the case it must have happened in 'off screenville' which would be a little lame. I think Im in agreement with RedRigsby on this point, but who knows? Stranger things have happened on this great show and this may be revealed later in the season. :) Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 23 2012, 10:09 AM EST
I think he's probably dead and that grace's "visualizing" him (no pun intended) is her way of working through the issues he's left her with. The dead O'Laughlin is a whole lot nicer than the live one was! Remember when he just left her out there to get shot (I forget which episode or season, but Rigsby anguished over whether to tell her O"Laughlin had left her hanging)?Having said all that though, I think the "O'Laughlin's ghost" thing caused me to stretch my imagination a little further than it actually wanted to go. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JustaThot |
5. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 24 2012, 12:52 AM EST
I'm assuming O'Laughlin is dead. I noticed that Van Pelt was supposedly warned / alerted by the "dead" O'Laughlin in time for her to dodge the blow aimed to kill her. I'm guessing that she is showing the same gift of speaking with the dead that she told Patrick her aunt has. In her conversation with Patrick inquiring whether he had ever spoken with his dead wife, Patrick called her by her first name "Grace." To me that name was chosen for this character for a reason. I always thought that this show had juxtaposed Patrick's non-belief against Grace's conviction of life after death right from the first episode. So, this would be a further step in that direction.
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6. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 24 2012, 11:44 AM EST
Wow what an episode. I t hink Grace' fiance is dead. She was all emotional from the time she received the necklace back. I think that enabled her to see her dead finance. I wish she had asked him who Red John was,lol. I loved how Jane was able to mess with the mobbed up guys. Wow what about that twist at the end. I can't see them together, I wonder what they will do?Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 24 2012, 7:40 PM EST
" Wow what about that twist at the end. I can't see them together, I wonder what they will do?Yep...best line of the night... "I'm pregnant"! LOL Do you find this valuable? |
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Ytene |
8. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Jan 27 2012, 12:46 AM EST
"Wow what an episode. I t hink Grace' fiance is dead. She was all emotional from the time she received the necklace back. I think that enabled her to see her dead finance. I wish she had asked him who Red John was,lol. I loved how Jane was able to mess with the mobbed up guys. Wow what about that twist at the end. I can't see them together, I wonder what they will do?I can see Jane / R J and Van Pelt together. His man O'Loughlin was one of his assets in the FBI in law enforcement and overseeing the FBI penetration of Visualize. That he would take up with Van Pelt should be an anticipated development. One of the important programmes embedded in this drama is that if people want law enforcement against terrorists / psychopathic killers / home growns / food activists etc. - they have to have psychopaths in law enforcement. This is false. Being a psychopath is a huge liability - even if you are the smartest person in the room, even if you can Game everyone at a master level. Jane / RJ's relationships with women do not end well. O'Loughlin was just one of Jane / R J's assets in the CBI - the one he decided to expend. That's probably why Jane had all the rooms in vertical alignment when he set the trap that his alter ego would spring. So that Jane could shoot the RJ decoy. 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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huisclothes |
9. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Feb 1 2012, 6:26 PM EST
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the o'laughlin ghost thing made my head hurt. it feels like the writers established some rules for the show - cars don't fly, dead people don't talk. messing with that just takes the audience out of the story. i like a world in which patrick jane's non-mystical version of reality prevails. i'm fine with grace thinking o'laughlin appeared or that her cousin, yolanda is a psychic. but to show it? yecch. that's like showing jane's wife whispering in kristina's ear that his daughter, charlotte didn't suffer.
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JustaThot |
10. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Feb 2 2012, 12:28 AM EST
When I began watching this series a couple years ago I remember reading an odd comment by Heller that the viewers would be shocked by the conclusion to this series. I wondered at the time what that could be. Having had a major in American Literature I've always been fond of analyzing clues that writers provide. While the surface facade of The Mentalist is light and fun and reality based, it hasn't strayed far from reminding the audience of a darker side, always poking at the suggestion of a possibility that Patrick's vehemence towards the mystical (particularly life after death) might be Shakespeare's "I think thou protesteth too much." If I'm wrong, then this particular argument is just Heller's (& writers) ploy to appeal to a larger audience. (wink)
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11. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Feb 2 2012, 1:01 AM EST
interesting thought. if at the end, patrick embraces the mystical, i will be shocked. but mostly from a gastrointestinal perspective.
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JustaThot |
12. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Feb 2 2012, 1:04 AM EST
lol :-)
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Ytene |
13. RE: chat about episode 4.12 My Bloody Valentine
Feb 2 2012, 5:41 PM EST
Jane and RJ's take on reality is theatre and make believe. To quote the greatest political document of all time: "Our power is force and makebelieve." That is reality theatre in the world as you know it and in the tv series.The Mentalist acts, directs and to some extent produces his own movie within the series. He casts other characters in the roles he contrives for the ends he chooses. In short, the spells of the Mentalist (that would be Jane / Red John) are stronger spells than most of the other characters are able to cast. Jane the 'non-mystic' creates invisible nets, puts a spell of revelation upon a murder weapon, appears to others in the role of consultant but is in fact leading the investigations.The boundaries are in the mind as he tells Lisbon. People create boundaries / roles for themselves as social beings. Jane is not entertained by these roles generally. And he opposes such roles when they get in the way of what he wants. Knows the boundaries are in the mind, he is able to manipulate the boundaries. He can effortlessly climb inside someone else's cage and start messing with the reality they create for themselves and how others perceive it. Jane and RJ do this in different ways - but it is the same operation. Jane games most of the people in his life at a very high level and sets them up for his plays. Jane shares his take on Reality with Cho as they enter Tamsin Dove's house. (Cho is afraid of witches) "The universe" he tells Cho "is one big co-incidence." Exactly. It sounds better in Latin: "Congruo est occultus compages subter supter animadverto." Coindence is the hidden architecture of reality. This is another way of saying - Intention. And human intentions / will (however cloaked or labeled) interact with the syncs. Meanwhile, the drama of the Mentalist hews to its programmes. Do you find this valuable? |
