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AngryLittlePrincess	Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 29 2011, 3:26 PM EDT Here's where we chat about the second episode of Season 4! Chat away! Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: 402 little red book season 4 the mentalist
AngryLittlePrincess	1. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 12:12 AM EDT I don't have much time to post tonight, but I will definitely comment about Rosalind Harker. I was sooooooooooooo glad Jane was smart enough to have Rosalind come to ID the body of Timothy Carter. This is wonderful evidence that Timothy Carter is NOT the real Red John and that RJ is still alive. What disturbs me is exactly how far-reaching we are finding Red John to be. He literally has people everywhere!!! I believe that someone at the jail planted the letter supposedly written by Sally Carter when they murdered her. Red John wants everyone to think that he was Timothy Carter....how long will this go on? I just wonder how long it will take and what will have to happen before there is another RJ killing? Out of time....I'll come back to comment more later. :-) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AngryLittlePrincess	2. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 12:14 AM EDT One last thing....although this was a great episode, I am kind of disappointed that the "Little Red Book" of the title is not Jane's little red book....the one in which he writes all of his Red John ideas. But I am glad that the team is back together and we can go forward from here. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
HighlanderC	3. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 4:10 AM EDT Although a very entertaining episode, I did find it TOO easy to solve. Now, why would anyone allow the police to search their vehicle with a warrant? Although he IS the Mentalist and could have persuaded her to open up the trunk, I rather have seen it on TV. The murder solution was just TOO easy. I rather see Jane and his games play out. I did like, however, the trick he pulls by hypnotizing him and planting the "evidence". Post reply Do you find this valuable?
HighlanderC	4. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 4:11 AM EDT I mean without a warrant... sorry. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PineywoodsTX	5. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 8:06 AM EDT I thought the episode was very entertaining. Good to see Lisbon has tidied up her apartment so she can receive visitors. ; ) . I don't like the way Lisbon is doing her hair. With all that hair almost hiding her face it looks like a teenager's hairdo. Maybe it has to do with being the shamed member of the team? Stuck at home while everyone else is at work and wanting to hide. I loved that line "I heard you used to be with the circus." I just laughed and laughed. I thought it was this line that made Jane choose him out of all his new team members to torment. Jane has such an ego. I thought the note and suicide of Mrs. Carter were both fake. And finally, the team is back together! Yay! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
gonesouth	6. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 9:14 AM EDT I loved the way Jane manipulated everyone so he could have his team back together. Yes I think the suicide and letter were fake. I wonder why Red John wants everyone to think he is dead? What is he plotting. I was surprised that LaRoche is leaving and all of a sudden got all huggy with Lisbon. I can't wait for more. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
OtherWriter	7. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 12:29 PM EDT I liked this episode a lot too. I think LaRoche may have been trying to stall LIsbon with the hug. Seemed like something he wouldn't normally do. Maybe so she would not get to the Sally Carter in time? I'm sure LaRoche will turn up again. He also did seemed to be displeased with Bertram. Also Bertram looked more scared to me in this episode than ever before. The only thing I wish is that their had been was a little information from VanPelt about her past, but maybe that is going to come out later. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedRigsby	8. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Sep 30 2011, 2:24 PM EDT This episode was EVEN BETTER than the premiere! It was packed with highlights, but here's some of my best bits - - Jane seeming genuinely annoyed at Bertram for suspending Lisbon - Jane messing with the new team LOL - The team stating that they'll only work for Lisbon. Aw. - Laroche/Lisbon. Especially that hug, which I thought was sincere. -Sally Carters note. Kinda creepy. - CHO. He was simply awesome in this episode. - Jane. Also awesome. Funny in parts, and his plan to get Lisbon back was clever. - Jane basically forcing Bertram to reinstate Lisbon. - The entire last scene. The return of Rosalind, the ID'ing of the body and Janes face when she confirms that it isn't Red John, followed by Blake Neely's ever brilliant music. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
hypnoclue	9. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 1 2011, 9:11 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 9:11 AM EDT "This episode was EVEN BETTER than the premiere! It was packed with highlights, but here's some of my best bits - - Jane seeming genuinely annoyed at Bertram for suspending Lisbon - Jane messing with the new team LOL - The team stating that they'll only work for Lisbon. Aw. - Laroche/Lisbon. Especially that hug, which I thought was sincere. -Sally Carters note. Kinda creepy. - CHO. He was simply awesome in this episode. - Jane. Also awesome. Funny in parts, and his plan to get Lisbon back was clever. - Jane basically forcing Bertram to reinstate Lisbon. - The entire last scene. The return of Rosalind, the ID'ing of the body and Janes face when she confirms that it isn't Red John, followed by Blake Neely's ever brilliant music." Yeah, what she/he said. Cho was brilliant. Had some great lines. Hasn't he made that character his own. I'm with OtherWriter though, I reckon la Roche is in it up to his armpits. He's suddenly leaving; and the hug for me too, was a stall, to make sure yet another RJ operative couldn't talk. (Even though Carter wasn't RJ, he was obviously part of that organisation - and wifey too.) And wasn't la Roche close by, when RJ's man was burned alive in the cell? I think the writing has been great - sharp, economical, with J back to his best form and the team working together. Endless possibilities this season, for character and story development... please keep it going! As of now, only Lisbon has been told it isn't RJ that Jane shot; and she's still not sure. What will happen with confirmation of that fact? How will the rest of the team react? Yeah, like pineywoods, I'm not much of a lover of L's hair either. And it used to be blacker, which I liked, but now it has red through it. Uh oh. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AngryLittlePrincess	10. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 1 2011, 12:42 PM EDT "Although a very entertaining episode, I did find it TOO easy to solve. Now, why would anyone allow the police to search their vehicle with a warrant? Although he IS the Mentalist and could have persuaded her to open up the trunk, I rather have seen it on TV. The murder solution was just TOO easy. I rather see Jane and his games play out. I did like, however, the trick he pulls by hypnotizing him and planting the "evidence"." HighlanderC, I agree with you about the woman allowing her vehicle to be searched without a warrant. That was not very smart. Unless she just couldn't handle the pressure of being the killer and wanted to be caught. Like you, I LOVED how Jane hypnotized Masterson! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AngryLittlePrincess	11. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 1 2011, 1:16 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 1:16 PM EDT As for the LaRoche/Lisbon hug, I thought it was sincere. To me, LaRoche wants to be all bad a** on the outside, but deep down he's very sensitive. (You know, the little dog, the house he lives in looks like his mother passed away and he just couldn't change anything, etc.) I think he was just showing some emotion with the hug. But....is he working with Red John?? That's a very good question. I have suspected him for a while now, but I really just don't know. Could the other cop have given the Cash & Go guy something to help him get out of the handcuffs and LaRoche just did what he had to do with shooting him? That's definitely a possibility. It is a little suspicious that Lisbon contacted LaRoche to get to see Sally Carter to find answers to the Timothy Carter-Red John question she has, and then Lisbon ends up being the person to find Sally dead with the letter. It appears that Red John is trying to drive a wedge between Jane and Lisbon. Perhaps RJ, in his weird love for Jane (per Bret Styles), is trying to take Lisbon's friendship/something more away from Jane. This episode was great! I loved how Jane got the team back together and I loved how we learned that Timothy Carter was not Red John. There's no question about it...Red John is working here. I just don't know through whom he is working. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
incognitodoom	12. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 1 2011, 9:44 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 9:46 PM EDT The episode was fun, but also gave a little piece or pieces of the puzzle that is RJ. The little piece I am referring to is not the confirmation that Carter was not RJ, that was already expected, it was not even how conveniently another RJ's witness is dead with LaRoche being involved. I mean, really, too many coincidences when LaRoche is involved in something that have to do with RJ for noone to at least suspect that he is involved with RJ. No, the piece I am referring to is the fact that the woman confirmed that RJ has not facial hair, as if RJ did, she would have quickly pointed out that fact. The bad thing is that most guys in the show have not facial hair. But it is a little important as you can't rule out none of them. I think Jane missed an opportunity, at least on camera, to get a better description of what RJ looks like as he could have used Rosalind to get more info of what RJ might look like. For example use the body to compare some of the features like if the man she met felt younger or older than the body, was the face wider, the amount of hair, and style of hair, among many other things she could have pointed out on how the body differentiated from the man he met. It would still be a rough description, but it would have been more than what they have right now on RJ and what he looks like. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
incognitodoom	13. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 1 2011, 9:53 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2011, 9:53 PM EDT As for RJ's motivations to want people to think he is dead are many: Maybe he thinks that Jane is becoming a nuisance or a danger and wants to get him out of his way or at least get him distracted for a while. Maybe he is indeed planning something big and wants to keep Jane distracted while he attends to that. Maybe he wants to hurt the credibility of Jane, so people doubt him, like that he can isolate him, as he is less of a danger alone. Maybe he truly wanted to retire, or perhaps he just want to have some fun by messing with Jane. We will see. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
hypnoclue	14. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 2 2011, 6:24 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 6:24 AM EDT Hiya Princess, Hehe, it's what I love about this show. One minute I reckon la Roche and Bertram are as guilty as sin, the next I reckon they're both innocent and I'm just a conspiracist. A case can be made for la Roche's innocence. He might be leaving, simply because he's embarrassed at what Jane has supposedly found in the tupperware container. He might respect Lisbon,( therefore hug her), because she stood up to him and his unethical questioning, eg re Hightower's children. I dunno, I still think he's dodgy... I'm beginning to think Bertram is just a slave to his own career advancement, and his positive media spin; and would do almost anything to further those ends. This includes reinstating Jane, because he's a closer, while happily sacrificing Lisbon. He's so openly pathetic, there's almost something comedic about it. And J said B, 'amuses me.' Interesting about RJ and Lisbon. I've always thought if RJ wanted to hurt Jane, Lisbon would be the obvious target. Yet not once, if I recall well, has he done that. (O'Loughlin shot her, but that was a her-or-me scenario.) And wouldn't that 'it's a form of love' spiel by Stiles, indicate RJ could be jealous of the relationship J and L have, and want to stop it? I love how intriguing this show is. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
hypnoclue	15. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 2 2011, 6:37 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 6:37 AM EDT "The episode was fun, but also gave a little piece or pieces of the puzzle that is RJ. The little piece I am referring to is not the confirmation that Carter was not RJ, that was already expected, it was not even how conveniently another RJ's witness is dead with LaRoche being involved. I mean, really, too many coincidences when LaRoche is involved in something that have to do with RJ for noone to at least suspect that he is involved with RJ. No, the piece I am referring to is the fact that the woman confirmed that RJ has not facial hair, as if RJ did, she would have quickly pointed out that fact. The bad thing is that most guys in the show have not facial hair. But it is a little important as you can't rule out none of them. I think Jane missed an opportunity, at least on camera, to get a better description of what RJ looks like as he could have used Rosalind to get more info of what RJ might look like. For example use the body to compare some of the features like if the man she met felt younger or older than the body, was the face wider, the amount of hair, and style of hair, among many other things she could have pointed out on how the body differentiated from the man he met. It would still be a rough description, but it would have been more than what they have right now on RJ and what he looks like." True, they could've made far better use of Rosalind's knowledge. And too many coincidences for me too, re la Roche. Speaking of conspiracies, three interesting points about that last scene: 1, What was the 'chill' Rosalind felt? Was she worried she might be IDing her lover? (If anyone says it's because she was going into the morgue, I'll scream, hehe.) 2. I wondered if in the long term, she would protect her lover and not tell J the truth anyway, even if it was Roy she IDd. 3. She seemed very interested in the claiming of the body... Okay everybody's guilty now, except Jane, hehe. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
incognitodoom	16. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 2 2011, 8:44 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 8:52 AM EDT I do agree with your opinion of Bertram, yet is "too early" to rule him out as a RJ accomplice, as perhaps that is why he joined RJ, to advance his career. I doubt Rosalind would lie about that. If she did it would be because "Roy" asked her to do so before he died and I doubt it, as she does not seem to be a follower of RJ, but a woman that had a lover named "Roy". Even more I think if the body had been RJ's I think she would have been seen physically emotionally affected by it, perhaps even start sobbing or crying, as for her "Roy" was a gentle soul who she loved. As for RJ wanting to hurt Patrick, we can't forget that it is Patrick's world that revolved around RJ, not the other way around. For RJ, Patrick seems to be just entertainment for the most part and I doubt he would sacrifice his work for Jane unless he thought Jane could become a danger for his work, which is my main hypothesis as to why he orchestrated the whole Carter thing. I believe he would only hurt Lisbon if Jane offended him again him or interrupted his work, and as for now he has done none of those things, he has been close to interrupting his work but has failed, and the fact that he is so obsessed with him and his attitude could be considered by RJ a sign of respect and of a "lesson learned" Then again he might be just waiting for their relationship to grow so it hurts Jane more, but I doubt it as it would be too personal for no reason, and as I mentioned before, I think RJ only sees Jane as entertainment, a fun and interesting challenge at most. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AngryLittlePrincess	17. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 2 2011, 2:50 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 2:50 PM EDT Hypnoclue, I go back and forth on RJ accomplices all the time. I think that that fact makes this a good show....we're always guessing and trying to figure it out! Back to the subject of Rosalind: After watching the epi again, I was very intrigued by Rosalind talking about the "chill" she felt. I looked around online and saw something interesting about this scene....did you all notice the janitor in the background as Jane and Rosalind are walking to the coroner's office? This janitor resembles RSRJ. If it is RSRJ, could his presence have given her that subconscious "chill?" Maybe. I'm with incognitodoom about how Rosalind would have had an emotional reaction if Timothy Carter's body were to be her Roy. I wonder, did Jane ever let Rosalind know there is a bright red crying smiley above her bed??? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedRigsby	18. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 2 2011, 3:37 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 3:37 PM EDT " I wonder, did Jane ever let Rosalind know there is a bright red crying smiley above her bed???" No, I don't think so. Rosalind may be blinded (no pun intended) by her love for Roy, but she isn't stupid. If Jane had told her about the face then he wouldn't have had to tell her again in the morgue that 'Roy and Red John are the same person.' This is all said with the assumption that she isn't in cohorts with Red John herself, of course. Damn I love theorizing over RJ. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
hypnoclue	19. RE: Chat about 402 Little Red Book here Oct 2 2011, 7:02 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2011, 7:02 PM EDT Speaking of RJ, this is another theory on what his role is: I've always thought RJ is one man, and we know from J he has a legion of powerful friends. I used to think he was the leader of a huge cult which used mass hypnosis as a tool. Well, if Bret Stiles is the leader of Visualize, and RSRJ is his driver/security type; and if BS knows more than RJ or J could 'imagine', then who leads who? Maybe RJ doesn't lead the cult at all, but just works quietly within it, with or without Stiles' permission. Or maybe Stiles is the master puppeteer, who pulls all the strings. I've never understood why J hasn't gone after Stiles in a more aggressive way. He has to be key in all this and J knows that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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