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AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 3:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 3:00 PM EDT
I haven't found another thread for the Season 4 premiere 401 Scarlet Ribbons. So chat away! What did you think of the episode? Do you find this valuable?    
AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
1. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 3:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 3:36 PM EDT
Where do I begin? How about with the word "Perfect." I really don't know how Bruno Heller and all the wonderful Mentalist Writers could have made the season 4 premiere any better. Since I was left wanting after watching 323 & 324, Strawberries and Cream, I had very high expectations for Scarlet Ribbons. I am not disappointed.

I like how we learned that even Patrick Jane can be overcome with emotions and make the wrong decision. I believe he will grow from this, learning more and more about his opponent, Red John. As the promo for 401 stated that Red John is more powerful than anticipated, I totally agree. We literally saw Red John trick our beloved Patrick Jane into killing Red John follower, Timothy Carter.

The 324 promo also stated that Jane would be face-to-face with Red John. Since Timothy Carter was not RJ, did CBS lie to us? I don't think so. I still maintain my theory of Red Shirt Red John.

A few beginning observations of 401 Scarlet Ribbons:

1. We saw that Timothy and Sally Carter hid inside another religion, although I believe they are Red John followers. We saw their priest and fellow churchgoers with Sally at her home. Does this mean that Red John follower.s merely hide within Visualize or is Visualize actually connected to RJ?

2. Bertram clearly does not like Jane at this point. My immediate question is: is this due to the negative media directed toward the CBI and FBI as Bertram states? Or is Bertram working with Red John? Remember, Bertram did know recite the William Blake poem...

3. As for the stealing of the cell phone and gun from Timothy Carter, I just have to believe the waitress had something to do with it. She said that Carter told her to tell Sally and Charlene he loved them. In the video Cho and Rigsby watched, Carter does not speak to the waitress.

Continued......
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AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
2. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 3:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 3:54 PM EDT
4. I loved Rigsby's hair!! Much more sophisticated! Go Owain!!

5. I loved how Jane used his own CBI locker key, on Timothy Carter's keyring, to lure Sally Carter into looking for her husband's secrets. This was the great surprise of the night, when the missing girl was found in her basement. How wicked Sally & Timothy Carter were!!!!! And they had a child living with them, Charlene. It makes me wonder to what could that poor little girl have been exposed? Anyway, Jane is just brilliant!!! And I loved how he asked Lisbon if she could run before he told her what he was going to do! xD

6. I love how the team is so willing to do whatever it takes to help Jane. It's clear that they are very close and will fight for each other like they're family.

7. The interaction between Cho and the mall security guy was hilarious!! There's no business like Cho business!!

8. I loved Jane's closing argument at the trial. "What would you do?" and Jane was out of there!!

9. How creepy was Sally Carter?!?!!!!!! So I guess even psychpaths have "soul mates!" Lol!

10. I loved Jane's "apololgy" to Sally Carter. He's so believable!

11. I'm glad Jane was able to get some eggs and tea that he was missing in jail!! I had both for breakfast...it was just the right thing to do! Lol!

I'm sure I will think of more and will post later. So what did you think of Scarlet Ribbons???
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wolandina
3. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 4:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 4:45 PM EDT
Hi everyone!
I must say that this episode really surprised me. I thought that the whole season 4 would be about Jane-prisoner trying to prove that the man he killed was real Red John. I am surprised that Jane turned out to be fallible. But I really enjoy being surprised by The Mentalist's writers!
The thing that is bothering me after watching this episode is the role played in the whole thing by members of jury - someone from this group has to be connected in some way with Red John, who wanted Jane to be out of the prison.
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RedRigsby
RedRigsby
4. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 4:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 4:46 PM EDT
Hey ALP! AGREED on all points, I AM SO GLAD the show is back and as AMAZING as ever! A truly incredible premiere! I'll post points on the ep soon enough, but for now i'd like to point out what is possibly the most important thing about the premiere:

Jane knew from before the main titles even kicked in that Timothy Carter wasn't Red John. From the moment that the two detectives tell him that no gun was found on the scene and no calls were logged to O'Laughlin, you can see it on his face. From this point on, at no point in the episode does Jane state that 'Timothy Carter was Red John.' The episode is then basically Jane attempting to dig dirt on Carter (knowing he's likely involved in some dark things, clearly working for RJ) in the hope of building some sort of case for his trial to attempt to decieve the jury into thinking that 'maybe' Carter was Red John, therefore giving Jane the 'not guilty' verdict and avoiding his imprisonment, something Jane said would have been 'a victory for Red John.'
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RedRigsby
RedRigsby
5. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 4:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 4:49 PM EDT
Also, next weeks ep looks very fun! Plus, Rosalind Harker (RJs blind girlfriend from the Season 1 finale) and LaRoche both return! Should be another brilliant episode. Do you find this valuable?    
AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
6. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 6:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 6:21 PM EDT
"Hey ALP! AGREED on all points, I AM SO GLAD the show is back and as AMAZING as ever! A truly incredible premiere! I'll post points on the ep soon enough, but for now i'd like to point out what is possibly the most important thing about the premiere:

Jane knew from before the main titles even kicked in that Timothy Carter wasn't Red John. From the moment that the two detectives tell him that no gun was found on the scene and no calls were logged to O'Laughlin, you can see it on his face. From this point on, at no point in the episode does Jane state that 'Timothy Carter was Red John.' The episode is then basically Jane attempting to dig dirt on Carter (knowing he's likely involved in some dark things, clearly working for RJ) in the hope of building some sort of case for his trial to attempt to decieve the jury into thinking that 'maybe' Carter was Red John, therefore giving Jane the 'not guilty' verdict and avoiding his imprisonment, something Jane said would have been 'a victory for Red John.' "
Hey RR! You are 100% CORRECT!! Up until the Agents let Jane in on the terrible news of the missing gun and phone record, Jane thought he had, indeed, killed Red John.

You're right again with the look on Jane's face, when it hits him that he has again been duped by RJ. But I believe Jane will learn from this! In the end, Jane will be a much better opponent for Red John....and that is what Red John wants. Well, other than mentalizing a mentalist!
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AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
7. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 6:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 6:25 PM EDT
"Also, next weeks ep looks very fun! Plus, Rosalind Harker (RJs blind girlfriend from the Season 1 finale) and LaRoche both return! Should be another brilliant episode."
Yes!!! I CANNOT wait until 402 Little Red Book!!! I've been wanting to see Rosalind Harker again since the season 1 finale.
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PineywoodsTX
PineywoodsTX
8. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 6:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 6:59 PM EDT
I was shocked that they resolved the murder trial in 1 episode. Frankly, I thought the episode was rushed and lacked depth. Plus they used a theme (husband and wife kidnapping team) that they already used in Season 1. If Red John was not the man that Jane killed, I don't think the promos should have said that he was. It isn't right to mislead the audience in that way.
It was nice to see Lisbon talk to VanPelt like a human being. She usually just orders her around and doesn't seem to want to have any non-work related contact with her. I also like the way VanPelt was so obviously affected by the betrayal of her fiance. I think she won't be quite so dreamy, naive and nice in the future as she has been in the past.
I hope they do make some effort to really develop the characters and their relationships this season. I think that is what makes a show important and memorable.
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AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
9. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 7:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 7:10 PM EDT
Ok, here's some more observations:

12. I love the strength that Debbi Loopin exudes as she testifies and how she is truly thankful to Jane and Lisbon for her rescue.

13. I love how Jane tells Lisbon to "watch the road," after he tells Lisbon how he deceived the jury, Timothy Carter is not Red John and that RED JOHN IS STILL ALIVE!! Love it!! And I love the fact that the show has not lost it's premise...the hunt for the REAL Red John!!

14. Oh, and I wonder what Jane will do with his one million dollar bail that he will receive since he was found innocent! Or should I say, to whom will he give it away? He's always sooooo generous.
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AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
10. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 23 2011, 7:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2011, 7:21 PM EDT
"I was shocked that they resolved the murder trial in 1 episode. Frankly, I thought the episode was rushed and lacked depth. Plus they used a theme (husband and wife kidnapping team) that they already used in Season 1. If Red John was not the man that Jane killed, I don't think the promos should have said that he was. It isn't right to mislead the audience in that way.
It was nice to see Lisbon talk to VanPelt like a human being. She usually just orders her around and doesn't seem to want to have any non-work related contact with her. I also like the way VanPelt was so obviously affected by the betrayal of her fiance. I think she won't be quite so dreamy, naive and nice in the future as she has been in the past.
I hope they do make some effort to really develop the characters and their relationships this season. I think that is what makes a show important and memorable."
Jane did get out of jail very fast! I was a little surprised by that myself, but I still loved the episode.

If you'll youtube the 401 promos, you'll see that CBS never says straightaway that the man Jane killed was Red John. They are terribly careful with their words. All of the interviews Bruno Heller did were the same way.

I strongly believe that the man who sat in between Jane and Timothy Carter with the red shirt is the real Red John. In the 324 Strawberries and Cream promo, it says that "Jane will be face-to-face with Red John." I don't believe CBS lied about that. Check out my profile for further reasoning about Red Shirt Red John.

I also like your take on how VanPelt may be post-O'Laughlin.
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gabudv
gabudv
11. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 24 2011, 4:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 4:59 AM EDT
my favorite moments in this episode are:
1. when Lisbon came to prison to visit Jane
2. when Jane tried to see what's in the other side of the fence, that was so funny!
3. when Jane got out of the court, Lisbon was so happy :D
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donnamour1969
donnamour1969
12. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 24 2011, 8:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 8:26 AM EDT
I too loved the episode, but had one minor beef. The trial was just too rushed, so rushed to be unrealistic. I did like the way things turned out, as well as the final confirmation of what I believed from the beginning was true--the guy in the mall was NOT RJ! Yay! I also loved all the smiles and Jisbony moments that we saw. I can live on those for weeks, lol.

If you aren't following #mentalistwriter on Twitter, you really should. The actual writers from the show tweeted during the rerun of the finale and were also on to answer questions about the premiere. One of the things they say recently was that you can see RJ in episodes before the finale, so now that you have your Season 3 DVD's in hand, let the Easter egg hunt begin! As for the trial, they mentioned something about jury nullification. You'll have to do your own research on that one.

It's totally worth getting a Twitter account. I follow Owain Yeoman, and Amanda Righetti as well. Check it out!

And thanks for pointing out that Rosalind Harker will be back. I totally missed that!
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PineywoodsTX
PineywoodsTX
13. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 24 2011, 9:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 9:07 AM EDT
From now on, when CBS refers to "Red John", I will assume they are talking about an organization and not a person.
Two of my favorite scenes in this episode were where Cho and Rigsby get the mall video from the security guard, and then break down the apartment door after "hearing" a struggle inside the apartment. Cho is a loose cannon!
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dalia1707
dalia1707
14. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 24 2011, 9:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 9:55 AM EDT
"From now on, when CBS refers to "Red John", I will assume they are talking about an organization and not a person.
Two of my favorite scenes in this episode were where Cho and Rigsby get the mall video from the security guard, and then break down the apartment door after "hearing" a struggle inside the apartment. Cho is a loose cannon! "
I agree...with all of the above, including the rushed nature of the trial. I also like the fact that Rigsby has started combing his hair...and VanPelt has Stopped combing hers. She's come out of it a lot angrier and a whole lot less naive. I like it.
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OtherWriter
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Sep 24 2011, 1:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 1:20 PM EDT
I really enjoyed the episode. However there was one thing strange I noticed that no one has mentioned here yet. Wonder if anyone else saw it. When VanPelt first enters the CBI room and greets Cho and Rigsby, as the camera turns through the glass it looks like Minelli is wandering through the room. At first I thought it was a reflection of Rigsby, but I rewound it and it's not. It's not CBI Ron either because he's on the opposite side. Who ever it was looked alot like Minelli. But he's retired so why should he be there? And if it is him why doesn't one of his team members make a comment or look at him? Do you find this valuable?    

homarski
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Sep 24 2011, 6:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 6:11 PM EDT
Hi,
I watched the security camera record closely, and first of all there is one mistake - in first shot there is no newspaper at all, then - before the waitress comes, newspaper lies folded in two. It lies the same after she, and the security guy gets up. Then after the forensic technician gets up, it lies unfolded and in other position.
Is it something more, or just series of errors?
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AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
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Sep 24 2011, 9:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 9:54 PM EDT
"I really enjoyed the episode. However there was one thing strange I noticed that no one has mentioned here yet. Wonder if anyone else saw it. When VanPelt first enters the CBI room and greets Cho and Rigsby, as the camera turns through the glass it looks like Minelli is wandering through the room. At first I thought it was a reflection of Rigsby, but I rewound it and it's not. It's not CBI Ron either because he's on the opposite side. Who ever it was looked alot like Minelli. But he's retired so why should he be there? And if it is him why doesn't one of his team members make a comment or look at him?"
Hi Otherwriter, I checked out the VanPelt scene you were talking about. I think the man resembles Minelli, but I don't thik that it is Minelli...this man has too much hair. And for some reason this guy seems too short to be Minelli. I could be wrong though. What does everyone else think?
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AngryLittlePrincess
AngryLittlePrincess
18. RE: Chat about 401 Scarlet Ribbons here....Spoiler Alert!
Sep 24 2011, 10:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2011, 10:04 PM EDT
"Hi,
I watched the security camera record closely, and first of all there is one mistake - in first shot there is no newspaper at all, then - before the waitress comes, newspaper lies folded in two. It lies the same after she, and the security guy gets up. Then after the forensic technician gets up, it lies unfolded and in other position.
Is it something more, or just series of errors?"
homarski, I notices what you are talking about too. Here's my take on it and definitely could be wrong, but here goes.....I think the waitress is our Red John associate here. The account she gives to Cho about checking on Timothy Carter is a big fat lie. She says that Timothy Carter spoke to her and told her to send his love to his wife & daughter, Sally & Charlene. But the thing is that in the video Timothy Carter doesn't speak at all. I think her sole purpose in coming to him is to remove the gun and phone. I think the security guard either saw her messing with Timothy Carter or the waitress was afraid he saw her messing with the phone/gun/paper, so he was killed. I think it is no coincidence that the hair dryer is red.
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LG_FUAD
LG_FUAD
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Sep 25 2011, 12:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2011, 12:39 AM EDT
AngryLittlePrincess, I agree on that insight too actually. To be honest, I may be wrong, I think that the waitress was very rushed and she somehow seemed to know alot about the victim that Jane shot. Although this generic idea is probably wrong and frankly I'll be happy if it is indeed outrageously wrong, but I think the idea of Red John is a community. In other words, maybe there are 'multiple red johns'. Just a hypothesis that is probably wrong but I just get the hunch sometimes... Do you find this valuable?    
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