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1. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
May 27 2011, 9:46 AM EDT
i think it was :))))
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2. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 2 2011, 10:08 AM EDT
I have to trust Jane on this one....since he thought it was, it had to be Red John!0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 2 2011, 1:35 PM EDT
I agree, I do think it was Red John because Jane went to that step. I had already known they picked it up for another season so it will be very interesting how they develop the show next year.Kristina is still missing. Ben Stiles was an in the know person concerning Red John. I have to say since I am of the later part of the era of the series of 'The Fugitive'. I did not think they would ever have him find Red John until the series was to end. I originally thought the whole premise was on the battle within in Jane, his arrogance, sadness, humor, tenderness, aversion to violence and yet intent on revenge. I felt all those made the character and they wouldn't change it. This is a smart show and so I'm sure they have plans. Red John's possible followers (?) may have plans as well. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 2 2011, 5:14 PM EDT
I think it was NOT the real Red John. This Red John seemed to me like a junior helper sent in to sit there and keep an eye on things, with some lines ready in case Jane approached him. I also think the writers invented him in to cover up two secrets of the show that have been figured out by many (it would be more respectful of the writers to reward viewers for putting together clues, rather than insulting their intelligence, but so it goes): 1. Brett Partridge, with his naturally high voice, works for Red John, meaning the forensics department is corrupt. Bradley Whitford just mimicked his voice. 2. Red John is Patrick's father. Patrick would recognize him instantly. He just wanted to see what this impostor would say when questioned. When the false Red John mentioned the scents, Patrick had the intelligence to know this info could have been told to him by Red John. It simply upset Patrick so much that it finally tipped the balance - he killed him to take away a helper. In the past, he wanted to question helpers, and even warn them. This time, he put a ***** in Red John's wall. This false Red John saying he was going to retire and thought Patrick should get a life, is a sign that Red John is nervous that Patrick is indeed getting ahead of him, because Patrick now knows that Red John is connected to a huge amount of government corruption. The message from Todd Johnson and Gupta were the same - they act for a reason, not random insanity. And the reason is, I believe, that when there is widespread corruption, there are bound to be whistle blowers. And so corrupt institutions need to have a plan of attack ready to try to silence them, which leads to patterns of behavior that are identifiable. Interestingly, the list of items this Red John mentioned anagram to some further clues. Coal tar soap, if the vowels are altered, anagrams to Cleopatra's (Lavender). 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 2 2011, 9:54 PM EDT
I think it was Red John , BUT i think there are other accomplices.. Jane needs toi watch his back now, I think someone will want to take revenge for Red Johns death.... Great set up for the next season...
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6. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 4 2011, 12:39 PM EDT
"I think it was NOT the real Red John.I like all your thoughts. Not John. - point #1. - etc etc. Point number #2 would be sick... not as in cool. But you know how shows are. I thought the 'retire' bit was a not right either. A lot of loose ends as I mentioned. Good thoughts Susan So that would leave us with how Patrick will get out of this (or time in prison) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 5 2011, 12:06 AM EDT
I don't think it was the real RJ. * I don't believe RJ is his father because he was committing these crimes long before Jane spouted off on that TV show. * I think Bret Stiles or Bret Partridge is RJ the real RJ. *The man in the mall could very easily be one of RJ's minions--they'll die for him, and he certainly had no qualms in killing his minions. Everything that fake RJ said in the mall could very easily have been what RJ told him to say. *I don't believe for one minute RJ wanted to retire or die as some have suggested. He went to a lot of trouble trying to cover his tracks and spy on Jane and the CBI if he just wanted to quit killing. * Also, the "he is man--" thing, that Simon Baker says could very well mean "he is MANY." More than one. A network of some kind, with cult like dedication such as with Bret Stiles's cult *Whoever is RJ, he has the power to manipulate, hypnotize, brain wash. The RJ in the mall didn't strike me as powerful enough *Jane almost let that guy go in the mall; he wasn't convinced until the man made him mad with the descriptions of the scents. Scents are very powerful emotional triggers. The real RJ certainly knew that... *Oh, nanajudy--Kristina was found, remember? She is in a psychiatric hospital I believe, basically catatonic. Well, those are my opinions. No matter whether you believe that that was RJ or not, there are still so many unanswered questions. Thank God there is a season 4 to hopefully answer some of them. But I don't want the mystery to be solved so soon. Some people are tired of the who RJ storyline! I can't understant that view at all. The whole foundation of the show was Jane's quest for revenge, and you take that away, it just becomes a lighthearted romp. The RJ episodes are the most powerful every season. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AngryLittlePrincess |
8. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 5 2011, 12:25 PM EDT
"I think it was Red John , BUT i think there are other accomplices.. Jane needs toi watch his back now, I think someone will want to take revenge for Red Johns death.... Great set up for the next season..."Yes!!!! Next season will be awesome!! I can't wait. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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nanajudy |
9. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 5 2011, 12:58 PM EDT
@ Donna; More good thoughts. I'm not dogmatic to any - lolYes I remember that Kristina was found. I don't think they finished that story line at all. I was left with the reaction that it must have been RJ cuz dude, Jane shot him. But logic, the shows story (things everyone has mentioned) says its not. I absolutely do NOT want the mystery solved so soon ie; Donna's thought 'Whole foundation'. Yikes till fall :/ Oh well back to renting season one and two - lol (LOVED the teams banter in those) Do you find this valuable? |
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kenyababy |
10. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 5 2011, 4:43 PM EDT
Susan I am hoping you can explain a few of your comments to me I am confused and would like some additional info being that I am a dummy LOL and need less technical terms to understand what you men.First when You talk about corrupt institutions needing ways to take care of problems or whistle blowers do you mean you think RJ is a way of getting rid of problem people who are a threat to the corrupt instituions like assasinations but blaming them on one man(by man i mean symbol like RJ) Then when you talk about coal tar soap first what is coal tar soap and how does it relate to lavender and cleopatra? If you could elaborate on these I would appreciate it. Thanks :) Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 5 2011, 7:49 PM EDT
The belief the message could have been 'he is MANY"- I don't know, if it was a network there is mroe chance of being caught. But then he obviously has his minions so maybe.Whether it was the real Red John or not... I doubt it, just from the way Heller was talking. That said, I hate it when TV shows are set up on one thing, one epic finale, which essentially mean when that happens the show is over, that or they try reinvent themselves,a s with Stargate Sg1. I hope the Mentalist doesnt make that mistake and go to an early grave by killing the plot. If it was the real Red John, then we need a compelling storyline to see how Jane deals with it and what the reprucussions are, or it wasnt the real Red John and we continue trying to find him but setting it up with a continuing storyline where once found, it will not be the end of the Mentalist. What do you think? Could the show go fowards once RJ- the real one- is found? Should it continue? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AngryLittlePrincess |
12. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 7 2011, 11:10 PM EDT
Let me start by saying I'm not dissing anyone, but I just can't believe there are so many people who have such little faith in Jane. He is "The Mentalist" after all! If he believes that it was the real Red John, I have to believe it too. When has Jane ever been wrong.....if I recall correctly, he was wrong on only one episode and then said to Lisbon, "What are the odds of me being wrong twice? Really??" I just cannot see Jane being wrong about Red John. Jane has spend every day going over and over and over every little clue that we know and clues to which we are not privy. He has this...he knows this! I trust Jane!!!I understand that many of you believe that Jane's emotions got in the way and that is why he shot the Red John Imposter. But if that is so, wouldn't he have shown us some of those "uncontrolled" emotions after the shooting? But he didn't. In his usual quirky style, Jane sat down, took a drink of his tea and asked for the check. I just know that Jane has it together...and I trust his judgment. Are there any other reasons you don't trust Jane's judgement? I think we will find that there is a bigger picture to Red John that will outlive him in Season 4...... I can't wait!!! Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 7 2011, 11:51 PM EDT
Jane was initially wrong about Hightower, and he certainly didn't suspect O'laughlin until he got the second list. He does do stupid things where RJ is concerned (going off on his own, bugging Bosco's office, hiring someone to break into LaRoche's house). I don't think he thinks particularly clearly where RJ is concerned And if you read Heller's recent interview, he says the viewers and Jane are supposed to believe that was RJ. That implies to me that there will be a major revelation come season 4 about RJ's true identity. For me, the finale ending was just too easy. Too neat. Too public. Jane said in the pilot that RJ wouldn't risk being caught by slipping a note under his door, so why would RJ risk being caught in a mall with a gun and CBI agents everywhere, just to sit with a newspaper and gloat? Jane might have acted calm at the end, but I'm pretty sure it's the calm before the storm, and he's not going to be quite as "in control" as he seemed once reality sinks in. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 8 2011, 3:59 PM EDT
Was it Red John? I think yes. More importantly, I think in Season 4 we'll learn more about just who Red John really was and how he managed to have so much power - personally, I like the idea that he was very high in government/law enforcement (maybe a respected judge?) What is more interesting to me is the thought of "What happens now?" When someone like Patrick has spent so many years focused on a single goal, once that goal is accomplished, what happens then? I suspect Jane is going to have to deal with some things from the past that he hasn't paid attention to, that have fallen by the wayside while he was focused on Red John. Maybe he'll end up in therapy, which is an interesting notion.
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15. RE: Season 3 Finale: Was it Red John? Or wasn't it?
Jun 13 2011, 10:08 AM EDT
I actually think it was Elton John what with the glasses, affected attitude and effeminate delivery. He looks good, doesn't he? But how did RJ know to be at that place when the person Jane was meeting wasn't a Red John pawn?Did O'Laughlin know and tell Red John? I don't think so. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Red John and followers
Jun 16 2011, 10:57 AM EDT
Okay, I'm finally going to just admit my ignorance. What I don't understand is why Red John has...followers, helpers, groupies...whatever. Is there this one man (or woman, for all we know) who recruits people who are so messed up and are spread out California? I WANT to think Bradley Whitford was Red John and Patrick did just what I was hoping he would do. But, I have an uneasy feeling that it might have been some 'underling' sacrificing himself. When he told Patrick "I have many names" that could have all kinds of meanings.All these people we have come across in 3 seasons that knew of him, knew him...I just don't get it. The other night I watched the rerun of Todd Johnson catching fire. That guy worked in some small town, sheriff's nephew, engaged--okay, he killed her, but it was a normal life. So why did HE know about "Tiger, Tiger"? In what way would he be a 'follower', or disciple, or whatever of Red John? Somehow I just can't connect those dots in my mind. If anyone has the answer to that, I'd truly appreciate it. Just bought the first 2 seasons on DVD, knowing what we know now I'm going to study. Even though I really bought them just to have every scene Kimball Cho is in! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: Red John and followers
Jun 20 2011, 8:30 PM EDT
em i have a question,wondering if anybody can explain this to me?red john was sitting at one of the tables near where jane was meeting the director of the cbi,but why was he there if the director was not one of his minions,which is later proved!he had no way of knowing that they were meeting up there! i think he was another one of red johns minions sent there to kill hightower if she did actually come to meet him? this still doesnt tell us how rj knew the director and jane were meeting hightower! if this is true however it will keep the red john storyline going! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Red John and followers
Jun 23 2011, 4:10 PM EDT
So we are all back at square one. Was it Red John or wasn't it??? I say this after I read the TV Guide Spoiler for the Season 4 opening episode. I don't think I can bear to see Patrick Jane in jail the whole season with he and Lisbon doubting his own sanity. :-( Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Red John and followers
Jun 23 2011, 5:22 PM EDT
I'm sure there's a way to erase the calls from the cell phone to craig remotely.However if the telephone company did not have a record, that would be more than strange. Could RJ erase that? Maybe he has a different phone system plan. I just wonder when was RJ's gun removed or the newspaper switched? Did someone walk by RJ before Jane confronted him the last time? And would the mall camera be able to catch the switch? Do you find this valuable? |