Sign in or 
Location: Red John Theories
Discussion: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Category:
Discussion Forum /
Red John
Share this
Austin3301 |
Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Mar 21 2011, 4:04 AM EDT
Although highly unlikely, it is possible the Patrick Jane is hunting himself (Red John) with Red John as his alter ego.I mean, John and Jane has the same personalities when it comes to mentalism. But they are opposite in reality. Take the two last names. JANE and JOHN. Male and Female opposites and in the police lingo always used to describe unknown victims. JANE DOE/JOHN DOE. William Blake Poem used Talks of Symmetry. Jane is the soft side - the Female version John is the hard side - the Male version This could explain why Jane can never catch Red John Also, in the final episode of season 2, Red John recites a William Blake Poem about a Tiger, Jane orders The Lamb at the beginning. The Lamb is another poem by William Blake. Lamb and Tiger are opposites. Jane - Lamb - HARMLESS John - Tiger - DANGEROUS And both are taken from the collection: Songs of Innocence and experience. Again two opposites. Jane - Innocent John - Experienced. 25 out of 29 found this valuable. Do you?
Keyword tags:
red john
red john theories
the mentalist
the mentalist red john
|
|
NeNe9 |
1. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Mar 21 2011, 1:23 PM EDT
That would be an awesome way to end the series. However, if your theory proved to be correct, alot of fans would be REALLY upset! Personally, I love it!
4
out of
4 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
LynneOsborn |
2. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Mar 23 2011, 11:54 AM EDT
Ok this theory is interesting up to a point. I don't like the idea of Jane being Red John.
5
out of
8 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
|
LucilleBooysen |
3. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Mar 23 2011, 2:00 PM EDT
it makes sense in a way. but, i seriously doubt it could be that patrick jane is red john, but, i strongly believe that red john has close ties with patrick jane and that even patrick will be shocked when he finds out who red john is. remember, mentalist begins where patrick jane discards red john on national television, and in red john`s eyes patrick humiliates him. then out of revenge he murders patrick`s wife and daughter. so, again, i say red john is very close to patrick jane, maybe a friend, colluege or even family.6 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
|
NeNe9 |
4. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Mar 23 2011, 7:00 PM EDT
I've often wondered how long RJ has been a serial killer & if he was using that smiley face before he killed Jane's wife & daughter. I wonder if they ever sought to find a connection between his earliest victims as to get a clue as to his MO. There is just so much info that we, the viewers lack. Maybe the CBI should bring in the Criminal Minds people to really get inside RJ's head!
2
out of
5 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
|
Austin3301 |
5. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Mar 24 2011, 8:04 AM EDT
Well, if my theory is proved wrong, people who states Red John is also Kristina Frye is also wrong since people who watched Red Sky in the Morning, the mystery man holding the cup is male.These are my known facts about Red John: 1. Male 2. Caucasian 3. Average Height 4. Above-Average build And these are the possible professions of Red John: 1. Red John is a tech-savvy In Red John's Friends, Red John managed to hack into the CBI intranet and chat with Jane and his team. This explain that he is enough skilled in computing and has deep knowledge on how to penetrate a secured database, without leaving any trace on the web-browser and no way in tracking him back. In some way, this implies that he might be a cop or an employee working in the CBI. 2. Red John is a Forensic specialist or a CSI criminalist The mystery man who was caught on CCTV following Rebecca was wearing a typical Forensic-attire, (i.e. a charcoal-black baseball cap, a windbreaker and a police badge adorned to the right side of the jacket). This is the typical clothes clad by the CSI criminalists. Like how the forensic specialist Brett Patridge and his crime scene still-photographers are dressed in the second-season finale. 3. Red John has access to equipement used by cops. Red John can't be a waiter, that's impossible because in the final showdown, the killer (with his cloak on) appeared slender, whereas the waiter is a burly-looking man. Many people claim that Red John is Kristina which can be true though least possible. But if Red John is neither the waiter, nor Kristina so how does Red John know about "Roll Tide" ? A possible theory is that the table where Jane and Kristina were sitting was simply bugged beforehand. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
Elitesta |
6. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Mar 31 2011, 5:13 AM EDT
"Although highly unlikely, it is possible the Patrick Jane is hunting himself (Red John) with Red John as his alter ego.that does sound like a good theory, however, wouldn't that mean he killed his family? Now that would be sad indeed. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
|
mentalistfan2 |
7. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 1 2011, 6:30 AM EDT
I follow along the lines with this theory, #2, especially when the secretary is touched by the passing police employee in the jail and immediately dies, it does look like Red John is in the police force and also employs some help from them....
1
out of
2 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
amk358 |
8. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 1 2011, 9:05 AM EDT
Well first of all who was the person watching Jane with the cup of tea in the episode with the blind red-headed girl? Who tied him up and appeared to him to say the words from the Blake poem? I think the significance of the poem is that a tiger hunts its prey, in much the same way as Red John does. I do however, think that Jane and Red John may be related or have met each other at some point in their past.
4
out of
4 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
romantique |
9. RE:Jane Patrick - Théorie John Rouge
Apr 3 2011, 12:52 PM EDT
Ma théorie cet que jane et dans une clinique ou les personnes on des problème psychiatrique il doit vivre dans un monde qu'il cet invente, et on nous fais voir ce qu'il s'imagine comme dans le film Shutter Island .
1
out of
8 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
|
amk358 |
10. RE: RE:Jane Patrick - Théorie John Rouge
Apr 3 2011, 3:49 PM EDT
I understood a bit of that, I need to brush up on my French!!
0
out of
1 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
|
romantique |
11. RE: Patrick Jane - Rouge John Théorie
Apr 3 2011, 4:51 PM EDT
You had not understood my message, I also have difficulty understanding my translator does not too reliable .i am sorry.My theory know that Jane meadows crime of this woman and her child, to was in a clinic or it treats people with mental problem, therefore it life in this world, it we do see just be how it little without leaving, to pass through this state of madness and be returned account it delirium as in the film Shutter Island but that its not finite is not like in the movie.
0
out of
2 found this valuable.
Do you?
|
|
Austin3301 |
12. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 4 2011, 2:16 AM EDT
"Tiger, tiger, burning brightRed John who used Roy Tagliaferro as his fake name, had a relationship with Rosalind (That blind girl). When Jane and Lisbon pay a visit to Rosalind, the woman tells them that she has not seen Roy (Red John) in six past months. During the final showdown, when Patrick Jane confonts Sheriff Hardy who turns out to be one of Red John's hired goons, little does the CBI consultant know that Red John is keeping an eye on him from the adjacent room (the one he tried to unlock when he entered the house). Some fans claim that we see him drinking a tea from the same chaina cup teaset seen in Rosalind's house. The hands holding the cup appear to be male. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
|
Figureditout |
13. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 4 2011, 1:58 PM EDT
RED JOHN is the guy who place the chief of the CBI. I cannot recall the character's name....Hightower's boss. He quoted William Blake at the end of a recent episode. William Blake also happens to be the poet who penned, "tiger tiger burning bright!"Voila! Mystery solved. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
sayxgoodbye |
14. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 4 2011, 2:20 PM EDT
CBI Director Gale Bertram is the guy you are referring to. I personally don't think he's Red John himself, but I have to admit something about that man has creeped me out since the moment he existed.1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
|
Austin3301 |
15. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 9 2011, 11:28 PM EDT
Though this theory is like all the others; PLAUSIBLE.We may know that whoever Red John is, it is highly possible that Red John is a part of the CBI of not, FBI. Since he has access to many police equipment. Virgil Minelli is one of the most suspected individuals of being Red John. He has access to the CBI network, and interestingly ISN'T in the state when the hack occurs in Red John's Friends and free to attack Renfrew when he's out of state. He also allows Jane a great deal of freedom to pursue his Red John obsession despite his obviously illegal actions and personal motivation. he goads him into acting in a certain way. Then he left after Red John's attack on the CBI, just so he wasn't there in case he said something that Jane could pick up on. *I don't buy that it's Minelli but it's the best theory going at the moment; also the "He is Man" could be Minelli spelt wrong (Manelli), long shot I know but it's a theory. I personally don't think we've met Red John yet as a character and I hope we don't for a while. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
|
sayxgoodbye |
16. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 9 2011, 11:46 PM EDT
"He has access to the CBI network, and interestingly ISN'T in the state when the hack occurs in Red John's Friends and free to attack Renfrew when he's out of state. "If I remember correctly, Minelli had actually returned to California by the time Renfrew died because he was in the room with the team when Jane was on the phone with Renfrew, right before he was killed. Not trying to rule out Minelli as a suspect... just pointing that out. I agree though- all theories are completely plausible. Personally, I'm a fan of the Jane=Red John theory (the "Red Jane Theory" as my brother and I like to put it ;]) although I don't think that's actually going to be the case. Whoever Red John is, I'm sure we'll be surprised. Do you find this valuable? |
|
chandelier67321 |
17. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 10 2011, 3:15 PM EDT
| Post edited: Apr 10 2011, 3:29 PM EDT
My guess is also that Patrick is Red John, also because some clue's recently, are still open, also what we see, in the series, might be what Patrick wants people to see, and is not part of what is real, because of Patrick being manipulative, this said, he also is warned when he recognized his own profile in other people, like lately.Also, his "match profile" he spoke for the video recording, was very revealing, (the last words did not answer the right question, but revealed his wife knew things, about him, nobody else knows.......) With Lisbon nothing is going on, he just has to respect her otherwise he can't "operate" Also his so-called "passioned" moves to help people, might only be moves to protect himself, because of his (normal) egoistic nature, he wouldn't have done them. The people that where "on to" him, he managed to put them on hold/cold. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
|
sayxgoodbye |
18. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 10 2011, 7:43 PM EDT
Interesting theory, chandelier67321, but I'm a little confused at why the last words Jane said did not answer the questions and/or revealed that his wife knew anything. Jane was merely describing his ideal woman. When Erica said that his description sounds like "an amazing woman", he replied that "she was" as in the woman he was talking about (his wife, of course) was an amazing woman. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying?Do you find this valuable? |
|
Austin3301 |
19. RE: Patrick Jane - Red John Theory
Apr 11 2011, 11:32 AM EDT
Red John has many ties with other criminals and also who aren't. Some people believe that Teresa Lisbon is Red John or at least his accomplice.Plausible Proofs: In the Mentalist season 1 finale, when Teresa arrested Sheriff Dumar, Jane cursed her by telling her that she could have waited until Red John showed up. She replied that he is long gone. How did she know that? How did she know that he was in that abondoned house. Unless, she checked that room where Red John was hiding and told him to get out. In the Mentalist season 2 finale, the only person whom Jane called before being kindapped by the teen copycats is Teresa Lisbon. He caught the answering machine and leave her a message and the address of the hotel. So how did Red John know that Patrick Jane was in that hotel ? How did he get this information ? When Rebecca was about to be escorted to the cell, after being interviewed by Jane, you can clearly see that CBI team goes and gathers around Jane, all except Lisbon. Where was she at that time ?. She went missing the moment Rebecca was about to be killed by Red John or his accomplice. Lisbon works usually with Jane to solve crime scenes, she is always close to him. May be Red John is using her as a "tool" in order to keep a close eye on Jane? who knows. 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
