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J-Me	Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 2 2009, 7:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2009, 7:22 PM EDT Is Red John Virgil Minelli? Would the writers really make it this simple? Post reply 7 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
the_mentalist_#1fan	1. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 2 2009, 9:00 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 2 2009, 9:00 PM EDT Whoa! How do you figure that???? I never really thought of that! Why do you suspect that? Just curious. Post reply 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ReadMyLips	2. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 3 2009, 2:33 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 3 2009, 2:33 PM EDT That doesn't really make sense to me. If I get my way, Red John will never be caught or even show up in the show again. Because when that happens, the show is over. Post reply 4 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
J-Me	3. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 3 2009, 4:27 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 3 2009, 4:27 PM EDT I kind of agree that Red John is a huge pull in the show... if he's captured it takes away from the allure... And it's not really my theory per se... just some things I've heard others discussing... some people think that "He is Man" refers to Minelli... that Jared wrote "He is Man" and didn't get to finish before dying (and also didn't know how to spell Minelli's name). It's a pretty big theory out there right now... but there are a ton... and I don't think they'd make it that easy, but does anyone else have any ideas about Red John? I'm guessing we'll get a little more in the last episode... Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ReadMyLips	4. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 4 2009, 3:52 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2009, 3:52 AM EDT I always figured it was something Jared was forced to write by Red John, That it was a RED HERRING dontcha know... But for me, it's the other way around. The pull of the show is that Jane will never find Red John and will forever be trying to deal with the loss he himself sort of caused. Having Red John turn out to be MInelly would be incredibly lame and stupid. But since I am rather angry at the show writers at the moment for the horrible job they did with ep18, I'm not puttin git past them. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Posted Anonymously	5. Red John isn't Virgil Minelli Apr 4 2009, 11:48 AM EDT I recon like all good TV shows even the script writers dont know who red john is and only when they feel like telling people who he is will they make a person for that position...minelli will die near the the end cause he isnt red john (minelli isnt man no such thing as a spelling mistake...never happens) and red john will turn out to be a character that enters jane's life either for the first time or for a better twist from his childhood...my theory is that red john is someone from janes past but thats just me...the real red john will be entered into the series at a later date...always do and then maybe 1 season of chasing him down after they figure it out. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
meyati	6. RE: Red John isn't Virgil Minelli Apr 4 2009, 2:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2009, 2:56 PM EDT I missed about 6 episodes and I'm old, so forgive-but "Who is Virgil Minelli and Jared? Also our CBS station bumps shows for local basketball games & such-maybe I should let Alec Baldwin & his kin turn my brain into mushy mush-then I'd be happier about The Mentalist being pre-empted by local sports. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
the_mentalist_#1fan	7. RE: Red John isn't Virgil Minelli Apr 4 2009, 6:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2009, 6:56 PM EDT Virgil Minelli is the big, big boss of the CBI unit. He's Teresa's boss. Jared is the man from episode 11: Red John's Friends, and he makes a deal with Patrick. He says that if Patrick gets him out of jail (he was framed for murdering a woman he was sleeping with), he will reveal the information he knows about Red John. At first, Patrick declines, doubting that Jared even knows anything about Red John. But, when Jared reveals that he knows that Red John painted Patrick's wife's nails with her own blood, Patrick fights for him. This is what causes Patrick to quit the CBI and Teresa and the team fight for him. But, when Minelli gives them all a week, they go and use blackmail Jare'd family to confess who actually murdered the girl. The mom calls them and Patrick rushes over. With her confession, he, Cho, and Rigsby go to get Jared out of jail. Jared promises to "reveal all", but when they go to get some food in the drive through, Jared splashes coffee into Cho's face and runs. The team chases him, but he escapes. Patrick later recieves a phone call from Jared and the team pinpoints his location in Mexico. Patrick, Rigsby, and Teresa go and find him, but it is too late. Jared is dead, murdered by Red John. So... in other words, to answer your question, Virgil Minelli is Teresa's boss (so pretty much everyone's boss), and Jared was the only man with a link to Red John but got murdered by Red John before he could give the information to Patrick. Did that help? It's kind of a lengthy explanation, but I think it was neccessary. Hope it helped! Post reply 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
meyati	8. RE: Red John isn't Virgil Minelli Apr 5 2009, 4:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 4:24 PM EDT I see that I'm not the only one to find this good info. This was one of the episodes that I saw the first 10 minutes & then had to leave-my son fell asleep from his meds. this really explains a lot. Thanks Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
the_mentalist_#1fan	9. RE: Red John isn't Virgil Minelli Apr 5 2009, 8:28 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 8:28 PM EDT Oh, I see. No problem, I was glad to help! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Posted Anonymously	10. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 15 2009, 8:05 AM EDT I think he is, that explains how he could break into the system. Isn't it strange, Minelli leaves, and Red John begins to talk with Jane (chat and phone) Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
meyati	11. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 15 2009, 9:53 AM EDT I never noticed that-good observation. It would fit into Red John's profile as a serial killer-feeling superior and taunting the police. If Patrick Jane wasn't at CBI, Red John couldn't have as much fun-also watching Jane spin his wheels would help Red John/Minelli to relive the thrill of killing-it would make Jane his trophy-serial killers often take something (a trophy-jewelry-body part, etc.) from a victim to help them to remember & relive the event. We'll probably be discussing this for a few years. The Mentalist wasn't on the proposed cut list published by my newspaper. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Springbuck	12. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 15 2009, 11:27 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 15 2009, 11:50 AM EDT I don't think it's him. Unless he had an accomplice to do it for him, he couldn't have killed Jared - he was with the team when Jared called Jane from Mexico and since they rushed straight there, he couldn't have got there before them (even if he could have done so without anyone noticing, which is unlikely). Plus, if he were Red John, it would have made more sense to stay close while Jane and the team were investigating Jared, so that he would know exactly what was going on and could react accordingly. Why go away and put himself out of the loop just when things were getting interesting? He doesn't need to spy on the team - they're obliged to keep him informed! And why put so many obstacles in Jane's way when he tried to re-open Jared's case - if he really wanted Jared out, he would surely have been more helpful? Also, he let Jane hypnotise him once (to help him stop smoking) - not something he'd be likely to do if he were a serial killer! Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Agent_Lisbon	13. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 15 2009, 5:22 PM EDT " Also, he let Jane hypnotise him once (to help him stop smoking) - not something he'd be likely to do if he were a serial killer! " Unless that's what he wanted Jane to think...I read somewhere that it is impossible to be hypnotised unless you allow yourself to be (sometimes subconsiously). If Minelli is indeed Red John, then one would assume he has a "strong mind" and could easily appear to be hypnotized, when he really isn't... However, I have no real opinion about this yet, becuase I haven't seen this episode, nor any other ep with Minelli in. In fact this is the first I'm hearing of him. Has it aired in SA yet...? Maybe I missed it when I was in the US...I'm still so confuzzled about what I've seen and what I've missed sigh Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VibesofRigsbyxGrace	14. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 15 2009, 5:44 PM EDT i hope one day they will bring him to justice i am willing to wait five years lol XD cause i just love the plot! ^^ Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
VibesofRigsbyxGrace	15. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 15 2009, 5:49 PM EDT "I think he is, that explains how he could break into the system. Isn't it strange, Minelli leaves, and Red John begins to talk with Jane (chat and phone)" whoa dude that does make sense that makes me have shivers that when jane was upset sitting on the bed with Lisbon that Minelli would just call and laugh... lol im keeping an eye on that man.. X3 Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PetitJ	16. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 15 2009, 6:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 15 2009, 8:36 PM EDT I don´t think so!!!! >o< i mean...Jane will notice something weird about him, He is always watching everything.. . But now that you said it in "Red John´s Friends" Minelli goes and Red John appears...maybe he works for him but i don´t think that he is Anyway, i´m sure that the phrase who supposedly Jade wrote saying "He is man" is something to confuse Jane...i actually think that Red John is a woman and Rosalind Harker his "ex-girlfriend" is actually Red John...she appears in the season finale no??? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Springbuck	17. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 16 2009, 5:00 AM EDT ""Isn't it strange, Minelli leaves, and Red John begins to talk with Jane (chat and phone)"" Actually, he was back at work by the time Jane got the phone-call. And he wouldn't need to be away on holiday to do either of these things, anyway - Red John is smart enough to know how to cover his tracks on the computer, so could have sent the message from anywhere, near or far. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
meyati	18. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli Apr 16 2009, 9:40 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 16 2009, 9:49 AM EDT That's the thing with electronics and some skills-you can access your work computer from home or on vacation-if wanted-you can make it look like a hack job just by bringing in a mini-laptop that doesn't have the cookies. Computers & phones can be made to look like the call or hack is from Russia, while it's real origin is next door. basically, anybody is capable of doing anything-Maybe Red John is setting Minelli up for a fall-now that would be something CBI prosecuting Minelli -then clearing him as Red John continues his bloody work Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Posted Anonymously	19. RE: Red John is Virgil Minelli May 5 2009, 1:32 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 5 2009, 1:32 PM EDT Red john theory:- "he is many" Has anyone thought about the idea that Red john may actually be many people and that is why th guy was too scared to say anything as he knew the 'red john' had their hands everywhere meaning that the CIB could no protect him until all the psycho's had been killed. He is not minelli that is an awful theory that has no thought behind it. Post reply 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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